the building of california state schools and of community colleges. i think it's worth us talking about how to preserve those systems, too. those are the real ladders for access. >> it's interesting felicia talks about free access that is down the street from you. i think, well, that's the internet. free access that's down the street from you isn't your local college anymore. it is internet classes. >> which is an interesting point, because as the cost of learning is becoming cheaper, ironically the cost of education keeps going up and up and up. so why might that be? >> interesting. >> one of the problems -- this is what i like to call the "u.s. news & world report" industrial complex. >> oh, i know this one. >> people rank schools on not only how much money they can raise but how much money they can spend, like political campaigns, and on top of that, selectivity. so we're valuing prestige over quality access to learning, over the core competency of the college which is education. the schools are being priorit e prioritized to do the wrong thing. fu